Comments
Sort by recent activity
Greg.Tillman wrote:
We hope that we have made a decision in the long term interests of tool and I really hope that you will remain a user for years to come.
Wow. I seriously didn't expect that. Completely ignoring every issue raised in the original post and pretending everything's all-right.
What happened to your usual run of stock answers which at least pretend to acknowledge the issues (even though the issues they're acknowledging aren't the ones raised)?
Way to go, Greg. You really know how to put the "tar" in "RedGate". :evil: / comments
Greg.Tillman wrote:
We hope that we have made a decision in the long term interests of tool and I really hope that you will remain a user for years to come.
Wow. I seriously didn't expect that...
PStewart wrote:
1. Prior to releasing version 7 Disable the Timebomb Feature allowing that last version of the Free Reflector to be perpetual.
+1000 for that!
Unfortunately, given what I've seen so far, the only response you're likely to get to that point is, "v7 will have a perpetual licence..."
I hope someone from RedGate manages to understand this before it's too late:
* We don't care if v7 has a perpetual licence;
* We don't care if v7 removes the time-bomb;
* We don't care if Lutz added the time-bomb before 2008 yadda-yadda-blah-blah;
* We just want to continue using v6 for as long as it meets our needs.
The evolution of .NET will eventually make v6 obsolete, and the new features in v7 look quite promising, but don't kill off v6 just to make money! / comments
PStewart wrote:
1. Prior to releasing version 7 Disable the Timebomb Feature allowing that last version of the Free Reflector to be perpetual.
+1000 for that!
Unfortunately, given what I've se...
MikeONeill wrote:
... how often to we work on a project and "Give it away" ...
Even if we don't give our own work away for nothing, the fact remains that RedGate did give Reflector v6 away as a free tool. I don't have a problem with them charging for the new version, but trying to retroactively apply that charge to all v6 users is totally unacceptable.
If you did decide to work for a charity in your spare time as a volunteer, I doubt they'd be too happy if you turned up six months later and demanded payment for your "free" work! / comments
MikeONeill wrote:
... how often to we work on a project and "Give it away" ...
Even if we don't give our own work away for nothing, the fact remains that RedGate did give Reflector v6 away as ...
JDelekto wrote:
The "time bomb" in the code, to which you refer, is mainly the forced upgrade to the latest version to continue using the software.
Which was fine when the latest version was free. As soon as the latest version costs money, no matter how little it costs, the time-bomb becomes unacceptable.
I don't have a problem with them charging for v7; I don't have a problem with them refusing to support v6.5; I do have a problem with them forcing everyone who's happy to continue with v6.5 to pay for an upgrade to v7.
Ironically, if they'd announced that they were removing the time-bomb from v6.5, I would have been inclined to pay for v7. By announcing that the time-bomb will remain they have shown a total lack of respect for their users, which has only been reinforced by their responses in this forum. / comments
JDelekto wrote:
The "time bomb" in the code, to which you refer, is mainly the forced upgrade to the latest version to continue using the software.
Which was fine when the latest version was f...
Interesting. It probably won't be free, but I'd rather give money to JetBrains - with their unblemished history of not ripping people off - than RedGate. / comments
Interesting. It probably won't be free, but I'd rather give money to JetBrains - with their unblemished history of not ripping people off - than RedGate.
mb wrote:
... just comments that have abusive language?
Not sure. How would you define "abusive"?
If you mean swearing, where would you draw the line? Some people would try to claim that "damn" is too strong; others wouldn't have a problem with "dropping the F-bomb". Some people even use that word in their profile name without having their posts deleted!
Frankly, given RedGate's responses so far, I'd be surprised if there were any negative comments without "abusive" language! / comments
mb wrote:
... just comments that have abusive language?
Not sure. How would you define "abusive"?
If you mean swearing, where would you draw the line? Some people would try to claim that "damn...
deadlyviper wrote:
This is all very deletable here!
Yep - they're already starting to delete comments they don't like. Before long this forum will be nothing but sycophantic comments claiming that this is a wonderful idea that nobody could possibly object to. / comments
deadlyviper wrote:
This is all very deletable here!
Yep - they're already starting to delete comments they don't like. Before long this forum will be nothing but sycophantic comments claiming ...
Greg.Tillman wrote:
V7 has no time bomb – and will be sold as a perpetual license.
And the pigs are fuelled and ready for take-off.
See, the thing about lying is, once people know you've lied, nobody will believe another word you say.
I guess it's a good thing you've disabled the comments on your simple-talk blogs, otherwise you'd have a few choice comments there as well. / comments
Greg.Tillman wrote:
V7 has no time bomb – and will be sold as a perpetual license.
And the pigs are fuelled and ready for take-off.
See, the thing about lying is, once people know you've lie...
So if Microsoft announced that in four months time they were going to release new chargeable versions of their "Express" products, at which point your current free versions would expire, would you think that was acceptable?
My guess is that, if Microsoft were ever that stupid, they would be inundated with complaints and law-suits until they were forced to change their policy, by which time large numbers of their developers would have switched to competing products.
I can only hope that something similar happens to RedGate in the coming months. They deserve to go out of business for a con like this! / comments
So if Microsoft announced that in four months time they were going to release new chargeable versions of their "Express" products, at which point your current free versions would expire, would you ...
mb wrote:
... it's the broken promise or breach of trust that's causing the venom in the negative feedback.
I can't speak for everyone, but my "venom" is simply due to the time-bombing of v6.
If you provide a tool, free or otherwise, and then decide to change what you charge for the next version, that's fine. But to try to retroactively apply the new charge to everyone who downloaded the previous version is totally unacceptable.
What makes matters worse is the total contempt with which RedGate employees are treating this negative feedback. So far, their only responses to complains about the v6 time-bomb have been "v7 won't have a time-bomb" and "Lutz added the time-bomb so don't blame us". This fundamental inability to understand the nature of the complains just confirms that RedGate doesn't care about their users. / comments
mb wrote:
... it's the broken promise or breach of trust that's causing the venom in the negative feedback.
I can't speak for everyone, but my "venom" is simply due to the time-bombing of v6.
...