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Patrick,
Thanks for all the ideas. I'll let Bart (who's looking after the SQL Prompt 3 project) reply to them.
I'd be interested to know if Quest is officially retiring Speed IDE Pro, or if this is something you've inferred from something they've done? -
they are officially retiring it - i was speaking with their support team when i moved my copy to another machine - they dont really understand the term 'perpetual license' (but i digress) - they wanted me to pay a maint fee to get the turn on code - then they also informed me that if i paid the fee i would get the next version of toad since they were sunsetting speed ide and that in a few months they would not be able to give me another turn on code if i moved my software to another machine again -- i asked if they were going to create a final version that doesnt need the turn-on code for those of us that expected 'perpetual license' to actually mean something for the version we do have - funny, they never responded to that one - it was supposed to go to management... hmmm
all this was about 6+ months ago now - i never went back to see if there is a newer version - but let me tell you, its hard to find anything for speed ide on their site...
anyway, i am glad to help anyway i can -- thanks for the quick reply!
Patrick -
Interesting stuff. Could you e-mail me at neil.davidson@red-gate.com (or pm me) with the 14 day trial?
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i sent a pm - however its in my outbox not my sentbox... i hope you received it...
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Speed Ide was a great tool. I agree if PromptSQL was more like
Speed IDE. -
As one of the original developers of mssqlXpress (later renamed to Speed IDE) I'm looking forward to seeing what red-gate can do with PromptSQL.
As good as the current version of Prompt SQL is, I don't think I'm being too biased when I say the intellisense we built into mssqlXpress works pretty damn well.
And just in case there is still any doubt, Quest are most definitely getting rid of Speed IDE (a great product in my mind) for the vastly inferior Toad for SQL Server. They made myself and all the other original developers redundant over a year ago now (without even trying to learn from our experiences in developing Speed IDE)...but not before getting us to figure out how to do sql debugging for them since they couldn't get it working themselves.
Hah.. yes, more than 12 months on and I'm still bitter. -
Lurks, so you went from Xpress Apps to Imceda then to Quest.... you have had a turbulant ride...
I loved the speed ide tool - getting a key from quest when you move the software to a new machine is painful - they dont understand what a perpetual software license is - but i digress...
what i really liked was that it could read ahead and behind and figure out the table allias for intellisense - i liked that you could delay the intelli until you prompted for it -- i work on peoplesoft dbs often and the FMS db from peoplesoft has 40,000 tables - it chokes every app except speed...
i also liked the two dropdowns to change SERVER and DB in the same window - what an awesome feature...
if you are stil at quest - i hope you can do your magic there - if not, i cant wait to see what you build whereever you are at now... -
Yep, I was one of the founders of the company that originally developed mssqlXpress (SpecApps before we changed our name to XpressApps).
I no longer work for Quest. Quest saw fit to pretty much get rid of the entire Imceda Australia development team, which included all of the original developers of mssqlXpress (actually, one is still there working on something else (no, not toad)).
I'm no longer working anywhere in the Database tools market.. altho the though of getting back into that area has crossed my (and a few of the other SpecApps people) mind.
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speed ide pro
which was mssqlxpress before imceda bought it
now quest owns it and is sunsetting it while they upgrade toad..
why do i bring this up? the sql intelisense that is has built in has been the BEST intelisense i have ever used - i was hoping that red-gate had a copy of the speed-ide pro to run to see what it does...
some things it does better than prompt sql:
1)consistent ctrl-space-bar to invoke
2)the ability to not cache and only retrieve the object meta-data when you use ctrl-spacebar (great for peoplesoft databases that have 40k tables and 30k views)
3)the ability to write the from clause, then go back up and start writing the select clause - it can read ahead and see the alias below it to give intelisense
4)the ability to use the mouse to expand the scrollable dropdown area - this is an awesome feature since you can also set the default number of rows to show when u invoke intelisense - still being able to grab the bottom of that window and make it longer when u need to is nice
5) overall the intelisense was very consistent -
i would be able to supply the trial install (14 day trial i think) for feature comparison by red-gate if necessary
I also have an issue that i hope can be translated into a feature request -- i typically run my sql ide's as one of two users - my regular windows account (how i am logged into my laptop) and my admin account (my elevated windows account to do admin work on some machines it has access to) - trying to get promptsql to run is tough - i have to exit the default one that started and do a 'run-as'---- it would be nice to embed the promptsql into the 2005 sql management studio as an addin so it runs in the same space as that app..
thanks for listening to me...
Patrick