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Termination of the license is not what you want, because this doesn't transfer you rights to do anything with the software. Even though it would void the license agreement and therefore you aren't bound to it anymore they still are the copyright owners.
If they breach their license it does, however, enable you to sue them, probably with the outcome that RedGate would have to supply you with a non-crippled version of V6 which you are entitled to. / comments
Termination of the license is not what you want, because this doesn't transfer you rights to do anything with the software. Even though it would void the license agreement and therefore you aren't ...
The FAQ states May 30, 2011. / comments
The FAQ states May 30, 2011.
I'm sure that this news will quicly spread in the community, and my feeling is that the name RedGate will get a bad taste in many people's mouth for what they are currently doing.
And I certainly hope that it will turn out that they are in fact breaking their own license agreement which came with v6, so that legal steps can be taken against the upcoming revocation/termination of the v6 license on May 30, 2011. / comments
I'm sure that this news will quicly spread in the community, and my feeling is that the name RedGate will get a bad taste in many people's mouth for what they are currently doing.
And I certainly h...
Greg.Tillman wrote:
You will also get any minor upgrades for free.
Simple Talk - The Future of Reflector wrote:
Red Gate will continue to offer the tool for free to the community.
Am I the only one noticing a very similar wording? If the second quote was not a promise, what is the first quote then? And if the first quote is indeed a promise, what does that make the second one? / comments
Greg.Tillman wrote:
You will also get any minor upgrades for free.
Simple Talk - The Future of Reflector wrote:
Red Gate will continue to offer the tool for free to the community.
Am I the ...
From the zdNet interview with Greg:
The current version of Reflector is version 6.5 which will expire on April 15th 2011. We didn’t think this was enough notice for the community so we decided that we would release version 6.6 today along with the announcement to give users access to a free version until May 30th. We are hoping people will use this time to get used to the idea of charging or find an alternative way of solving the problems they used to use Reflector for.
...and we should all be grateful for the generosity, right? But then again, expiring the old version before the new is even release would not have may any sense whatsoever commerically, so...
In any way, while Reflector has been force-updating itself in the past, the license grantet to us as the users of the free version does not put an expiration date on the use of V6. And that's what makes all this talk about the timebomb having been part of the product forever pretty much void. / comments
From the zdNet interview with Greg:
The current version of Reflector is version 6.5 which will expire on April 15th 2011. We didn’t think this was enough notice for the community so we decided t...
KristoferA wrote:
Maybe mr Roeder's strategy was to build a large enough user base and then cash in by selling it on to someone (e.g. Redgate, Microsoft, or someone else)..?
The user base would have been large enough a long time ago, so I personally doubt that this was the plan. / comments
KristoferA wrote:
Maybe mr Roeder's strategy was to build a large enough user base and then cash in by selling it on to someone (e.g. Redgate, Microsoft, or someone else)..?
The user base would...
JDelekto wrote:
AvonWyss, a Photographer's main 'tool' is their camera --a Developer's main 'tool' is their Development Studio. How is Reflector the main tool for a developer's trade? Clue me in!
You're completely missing the point. Nobody was talking of the "main tool" for anything. In fact, the photography example was brought up by tlhintoq in the context of a hobby and therefore I replied to it.
The point is that users of Reflector V6, which actually did obtain a license to use it (whether it was free or not is unimportant - I had to agree to certain conditions in order to use Reflector), are being prevented to use their properly licensed software starting on May 30, 2011. / comments
JDelekto wrote:
AvonWyss, a Photographer's main 'tool' is their camera --a Developer's main 'tool' is their Development Studio. How is Reflector the main tool for a developer's trade? Clue me ...
jeremy.parsons wrote:
I Googled Reflector Time Bomb for the period up to July 2008, and you'll find this has been a pretty constant complaint forever. Forever ends in March. No more time bomb.
That's a very weak argument. Just because Lutz did implement a forced update and people didn't like it there is no reason for RedGate not removing it on the first release unter the new ownership. And the other thing is that the license agreement doesn't cover the timebomb either, which is another reason why what you are doing is probably not even legal. Whether this timebomb has been part of the application forever doesn't really matter in that regard. / comments
jeremy.parsons wrote:
I Googled Reflector Time Bomb for the period up to July 2008, and you'll find this has been a pretty constant complaint forever. Forever ends in March. No more time bomb.
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tlhintoq wrote:
I'm a hobbyist photographer. I don't expect all of my tools to be free. I had to pay (dearly) for my 1000mm supertelephoto lens, and my Canon 7D DSLR. I just have to decide what is important to my hobby. Every couple of years it means selling one camera body if I am to buy a newer one.
Well, the thing is that Canon doesn't forcefully take away your camera just to force you buying a new one. And that's what is happening here.
That said, it's not about getting everything for free. But the community providing free tools and open source software lives from this give-and-take. And such a decision of actually revoking a free tool from the community is not the same as asking for money for new stuff. / comments
tlhintoq wrote:
I'm a hobbyist photographer. I don't expect all of my tools to be free. I had to pay (dearly) for my 1000mm supertelephoto lens, and my Canon 7D DSLR. I just have to decide wh...
The thing is that V6 will stop working on Mai 30, 2011, at least that's what they announced. So you cannot even continue using the old version. tlhintoq, if I had to pay even just 35$ for each of all the great tools I use as hobbyist (starting withj the .NET Fromework itself, ASP.NET MVC, Subversion, Mercurial, Git, VS Express versions, SQL Server express versions, Mono etc.), then I'd have to look for another hobby. Period. / comments
The thing is that V6 will stop working on Mai 30, 2011, at least that's what they announced. So you cannot even continue using the old version.tlhintoq, if I had to pay even just 35$ for each of al...